Maureen Benkovich (00:01.102)
Hey everybody, welcome back to Sober Fit Life. One of the things I love about my coaching is that I get to meet wonderful people from all around the world. And today is a perfect example of that. Today, my guest, Sandra Draper is joining us from Perth, Western Australia. And Sandra and I have coached together for a while and I'm so glad she's agreed to come on here and share her story on Sober Fit Life. So let me tell you a little bit about Sandra.
She works for the Western Australian government in a senior leadership role, supporting innovative companies as they commercialize their inventions and help build capacity and capability across Western Australia, the innovation ecosystem. That is a lot, a big position. Sandra and I have worked together for one-on-one coaching and she's going to talk about, you know, how she came to this place, what shifted, what's helped and what alcohol freedom
Sandra Draper (00:47.534)
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Maureen Benkovich (00:57.974)
looks like for her now. So let me just say hello and Sandra, I'm so glad you're here. Thanks for coming on Sober Fitlife.
Sandra Draper (01:04.981)
Hi Maureen, it's a real pleasure and a privilege to be here.
Maureen Benkovich (01:09.216)
Yeah, I'm so glad you're here. I have to say Sandra has been one of the most dedicated clients I've had because of our time difference. You would get up for coaching before work, so five in the morning, right?
Sandra Draper (01:21.946)
We'd start at five, so I'd be up at 4am for our sessions.
Maureen Benkovich (01:25.272)
Yeah. That was dedication. And it was worth it. I agree. I agree. Can you, Sandra, you you've got this very busy job. You're an executive. You've got a lot going on. Can you tell people how you came to this place, what your relationship was like with alcohol before you started coaching, what was going on in your life?
Sandra Draper (01:29.643)
Yeah, but it was worth it. Yeah. Yeah.
Sandra Draper (01:48.897)
Yeah, sure. So perhaps I'll just go back a little bit to, I guess, when alcohol became a part of my life. I grew up in a family which was very much teetotal. My parents, paternal grandparents that we had a lot to do with were all teetotal. so alcohol wasn't something that I was particularly familiar with.
As a teenager and into my 20s, I'd possibly go out for a night with friends and perhaps consume something at the bar or a glass of wine. But it wasn't a regular practice until I was around about 28 and married. And I think then wine became the let's have a glass of wine with dinner or let's have wine as a reward.
have wine when we have friends around, lots of. It's something that helps you celebrate. And so it became much more of an ingrained pattern and a way of life. And I think I probably became aware of it being something that was taking more than it was giving around about 2016. But then in 2017,
My husband was diagnosed with a terminal illness and I was a working full-time, full-time carer. And I think alcohol became much more of a crutch at that time for loneliness and coping mechanisms and all the emotions that go with circumstances like that. And then in 2025,
Maureen Benkovich (03:35.128)
Yeah.
Sandra Draper (03:40.812)
It was a milestone year for me. It was a milestone birthday and there were a number of events happening through the year, including a holiday to Spain and Portugal, which included walking the last hundred kilometres of the Camino de Santiago. And I think in, I wanted to really enjoy the year. I wanted to remember it and I wanted to be in the best shape that I could be to move through the year.
So in around in January, of course, you know, make the New Year's resolution. This is how it's going to happen. I engaged, I suppose, in a very loose sense with someone in Australia who's a grey area coach. I listened to the podcasts and things associated with that program and became very curious about the
science behind drinking because I think on occasions I tried to stop with willpower and the white knuckling. I'd on several occasions asked friends to be my accountability partners but the bit I didn't understand was that a lot was going on in my brain and physiologically and so I think that was the point that determined that I needed to make change.
Maureen Benkovich (04:46.776)
Mm-hmm.
Maureen Benkovich (05:06.38)
Yeah. And I think you heard about me on a podcast, right? Aren't you listening to a podcast? Yeah.
Sandra Draper (05:09.895)
I did, I did. So I was listening to a podcast of another coach, alcohol freedom coach, and this wonderful woman was speaking, sharing her life story and everything that she said resonated with me. But I think most importantly for me was we're of a similar demographic, although I don't hold my age as well as you super fit chick do, but that being said,
you know, someone who was of roughly my vintage, but also we share the same Christian faith and that was really important to me because that's foundational to everything I do, to my behaviours. But I think also as part of that journey I had recognised that I'd put a distance between God and myself and that I
Maureen Benkovich (05:49.998)
Mm-hmm.
Maureen Benkovich (06:03.308)
Yeah, unknowingly we were talking about that. Like we didn't really understand that the alcohol was taking up the space instead of us getting closer to God.
Sandra Draper (06:10.419)
Yeah, yeah. And it took up space in so many other ways. mean, the mental gymnastics of will I drink, won't I drink, I'll have one, I'll have two. And then, you know, the remorse for realising that one became, you know, a bottle or much more than I had intended because now I understand that the fight or flight part of my brain
Maureen Benkovich (06:16.632)
Mm-hmm.
Sandra Draper (06:40.18)
was kicking in and saying, well, you know, keep drinking because you may never have another one.
Maureen Benkovich (06:41.549)
Yeah.
Maureen Benkovich (06:45.74)
Yeah, well, you let's just back up a little bit. So you would say, of course, when your husband was ill, and I'm so sorry that you went through all of that and lost your husband, but that's when the drinking started taking on a different meaning. Right? Yeah. And we know that when you tie alcohol to trauma, stress, sadness, that's when it sort of really locks in that neural pathway.
Sandra Draper (06:48.169)
Yeah.
Sandra Draper (06:59.027)
Yes, yeah, yes.
Sandra Draper (07:08.872)
Hmm. Yeah, I think as I say, it became a comfort in a sense, you know, that I was alone and lonely and having a bottle of wine took away some of that loneliness. It created a familiarity. There was a familial partner. There was some kind of, you know, routine at the end of the day.
Maureen Benkovich (07:15.128)
Mm-hmm.
Sandra Draper (07:38.878)
And I think when I certainly before, but I think at the beginning of 2025, when I could reflect on that and think, well, that's not really doing me any service. I think my health was probably being affected, although I wasn't particularly aware of that at the time, but towards the end of last year, condition I now know.
have was diagnosed and I suspect that a lot of the inflammation surrounding that is probably or was caused by the alcohol hopefully the inflammation is reducing now. And then it's the kind of the recognition also that your value system, in my case my value system was being affected because I'm a managerial
Maureen Benkovich (08:20.845)
Yeah.
Maureen Benkovich (08:32.107)
Yes. We talked a lot about that. talked, let me just pause there a little bit because I think that's so important is that we've been conditioned for so long to think that unless you're just losing everything and you're in a gutter with a brown paper bag, that that's the only time to take a look at if you're drinking too much. But what you're talking about here is so deep and we did some of that values work because the drinking, your drinking, my drinking was causing us to feel out of alignment with
Sandra Draper (08:35.912)
Yeah. Yeah.
Maureen Benkovich (09:00.91)
our values and who we are and what really mattered deeply to us, to you. We talked a lot about your integrity and that really was making you feel very uncomfortable being so much out of alignment with how integrist you are.
Sandra Draper (09:08.899)
We did.
Sandra Draper (09:18.078)
Hmm. Yeah, I think on a couple of levels, so I've talked about on a spiritual level, you know, a managerial leadership role, going to work, feeling under par, knowing that I had significant key decisions to make and also to lead my staff through the day, I
Maureen Benkovich (09:32.078)
Mm-hmm.
Sandra Draper (09:46.178)
never felt good about the way I took myself into the office when I'd been drinking. I also think, and now I'm aware through our conversations Maureen, that I was probably going out into public with the smell of alcohol on my breath, which shocks and horrifies me now, but that was just a part of the package.
Maureen Benkovich (10:14.38)
Yeah, and that's what we talk about a lot. You did the best with the information you had, but part of coaching is learning all of that and becoming more and more informed so you can start making different choices and different decisions.
Sandra Draper (10:19.018)
Absolutely.
Sandra Draper (10:28.349)
Yes, yeah, so the coaching, your coaching Maureen was absolutely brilliant. So I mentioned a little bit earlier about understanding the neuroscience and the physiological effects of alcohol, the fact that you're actually drinking a toxin and then the effect on the neurotransmitters in the brain and the chemical
Maureen Benkovich (10:47.532)
Mm-hmm.
Sandra Draper (10:56.932)
changes that occur through alcohol there was really eye-opening for me and I think you know the line that always sticks with me and others listening may not like this but that alcohol is a dirty drug I think was you know really eye-opening for me because it's glamorized so much that no one would ever consider it a dirty drug it's sophisticated it's
Maureen Benkovich (11:13.303)
Yes.
Sandra Draper (11:24.944)
what you do as a reward, it's what you do when you're sad, it's what you do to relax. But I think when I could start thinking about it in a different mode and then you provided some wonderful techniques in terms of the halt technique and the act, you know, so if I was feeling a craving to call a friend or go for a walk or yeah, to take a pause.
Maureen Benkovich (11:30.146)
Mm-hmm.
Maureen Benkovich (11:51.344)
to take a pause.
Yeah, I want to just go back to that, the neuroplasticity, because I remember that really made a difference for you. I think, and just correct me if I'm wrong, what I love about it is when you remove the emotion, when you remove thinking it's a moral failing or a willpower failing, and you just understand the science, this is just how the brain reacts to a drug. And just to further explain dirty drug, it just means it's an equal opportunity offender. It hits all the neurotransmitters.
at once, whereas some drugs are very selective. Like if you're thinking of antidepressants, a serotonin reuptake inhibitor, that only affects serotonin. Alcohol is an equal opportunity offender. And so when you learn that and you remove the emotion, you can make a decision that isn't personalized, isn't about you being weak. Did you find that to be the case that that's what really kind of struck a chord with you?
Sandra Draper (12:50.488)
Absolutely. the new understanding the neuroscience made a huge difference. And now I think, well, why would you be doing that to your healthy, beautifully created body?
Maureen Benkovich (13:06.54)
Yeah. Yeah. And you I love you did such a good thing to you really picked a goal, which was to walk the El Camino. So when we started working together, you were also training, you were improving your endurance and your capability to walk distances and you were really mentally and physically preparing for that. So you very much replaced, you know, what you were using alcohol for some of the jobs you'd given alcohol and were focused on a goal.
Sandra Draper (13:32.818)
Mm-hmm.
absolutely. And I think one of the things that became apparent through our coaching was the effect, correct me if I get this wrong, but that alcohol has on the proteins that build muscle. And so if I'd continued to drink during that preparatory period, I was really in effect undoing all of the work that I was trying to do through the physical activity to become strong and capable of walking.
the last 100 kilometres of the Camino.
Maureen Benkovich (14:08.738)
Yeah, all of your hard work. you're talking about muscle protein synthesis. So alcohol inhibits that process. So here we are trying to cause growth, muscle growth getting stronger, but alcohol inhibits that process. So yes, it's really undermining all that you're trying to do.
Sandra Draper (14:12.634)
Hmm
Sandra Draper (14:26.564)
Yes, yes, so I wasn't about to do that because there was, think, know, part of the consideration did come back to my value system also in terms of I was travelling with friends. I didn't want to let the friends down by not being in peak physical condition to do the walk and the holiday that they'd been preparing for for two years.
Maureen Benkovich (14:29.782)
Right.
Maureen Benkovich (14:55.564)
Yeah, and you did it. You did such a great job. And I also want to like flip to friends because we talked about that a lot too, because you are very social and you and this is so important. When working together, you didn't isolate. Sometimes people try to find the perfect time to take a break from alcohol and look into, you know, no longer drinking, but they try to isolate and not do anything. But really what you need to do is get out in the real world and experience
Sandra Draper (15:22.138)
in.
Maureen Benkovich (15:23.948)
the discomfort of doing something different without alcohol and then building the confidence. And you would do that. You would go visit your friends. Can you tell us about that? I remember some specific instances you would kind of tell them what you were doing. Can you share that a little bit?
Sandra Draper (15:31.974)
Yeah.
Sure, yeah I think one of the things I decided when I was widowed was my life was going to go on there. I had heard so many circumstances of where people had I guess stopped their social interaction but for me I as you say I am a social person I enjoy people and I enjoy being amongst them so not
Long into our coaching sessions, I was invited to stay with friends for a long weekend in Western Australia. They live quite a distance from me, so it was a big deal to be going down and staying with them for the weekend. And we talked about how to prepare for that in terms of what to do when, because I knew that they're...
fives as we sometimes call them, know, the opening the bottle of wine at five or earlier would continue and I didn't want to be seen to be precluding them from doing what they enjoyed doing or being judgmental in any way. So I think the preparation was really around how do I behave which was to take
Maureen Benkovich (16:37.592)
Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Yeah.
Maureen Benkovich (16:56.364)
Mm-hmm.
Sandra Draper (16:58.305)
alternative drinks and to have those at the same time, to be very open about my decision, which I was and they were very accepting of. In fact, my friend was in some ways curious about what I was doing and why. And I think she to this day continues to be curious. And also what to do if I felt
Maureen Benkovich (17:04.962)
Mm-hmm.
Sandra Draper (17:26.051)
really uncomfortable in the situation, which would have been to leave the room or go for a walk. But I think the preparation was about knowing what alternatives were available, but also having that conversation in my head to be ready to respond to the whys. And then a mechanism to move away from the circumstance if it became something that...
was I was finding difficult or challenging to be in. But I think I'm at the point now where I'm very open and and I think going out was drinking was not as much of a problem as being at home. having said to people over the years, I'm not having a drink was not necessarily something new. I guess the regularity of that was is probably something new. But I'm catching up with a friend on Tuesday.
and it's part work, part pleasure. And she suggested we meet at a bar, that didn't faze me at all. I've already been online, had a look at the drinks menu, picked out the mocktails that are on offer. I know that I can go in confidently, order a mocktail, sit and drink it and not feel any discomfort at all.
Maureen Benkovich (18:34.218)
Yes, which is some of the tools we talked about, right? How to do that, prepare.
Maureen Benkovich (18:47.5)
Yes, yes, because you've shown yourself you can do that and you've practiced it and so your brain it's familiar, you've visualized it, you've done it and so now you're really in what I call the alcohol freedom phase.
Sandra Draper (18:49.231)
and
Yes.
Sandra Draper (19:03.267)
Yes, yeah and just to close that out, I've often, or not often, on occasions found also when I've been out with friends and I've said I'm not having a drink, they've also responded with that, well I don't really want to either, I've been drinking too much particularly that occurred over the Christmas New Year period and so I think you know that there is a sense.
in society that we have to drink to be sociable and I think by me saying no we don't have to it kind of frees the other person to be able to then make their choice.
Maureen Benkovich (19:30.542)
Mm-hmm.
Maureen Benkovich (19:39.01)
Yeah, I've had that happen before too. it's like we've forgotten that a drink doesn't have to mean alcohol. We always think it does.
Sandra Draper (19:45.559)
No, yeah, I mean I think in Western Australia we're probably not as far advanced with non-alcoholic wines being available at bars and I've found some of those are a bit too sweet for my liking anyhow they pack a lot of sugar into a substitute product but I'm finding that some of the mocktails which typically or I guess
historically have been very very sweet. They're now sort of coming in with some flavours like ginger and things that are not as sweet and are probably good for the body in certain senses anyhow.
Maureen Benkovich (20:15.822)
Mm-hmm.
Maureen Benkovich (20:28.172)
Yeah, and you were always willing to try things and bring alcohol-free alternatives, so you were prepared. So really good. Basically, that's one of the tactics we talk about is, you know, know what you're going to say when you're with people, know what you're going to drink, and know when you're going to leave or how you're going to leave, what you're going to say. So you employed that beautifully in a lot of different situations.
Sandra Draper (20:40.021)
Yes.
Sandra Draper (20:44.035)
and
Sandra Draper (20:50.007)
Yeah, I still do.
Maureen Benkovich (20:51.276)
Yeah, and still do. still do too. And let's talk about another sort of trigger-y time, which sometimes when you come home alone facing an empty house. And we've talked about that.
Sandra Draper (20:53.473)
Mm.
Sandra Draper (20:58.444)
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, it certainly was a trigger. And I think, as you know, Maureen, I struggled with that a little bit. One of the things I did take to doing was to light a candle, both for the ambient light, but also for the scent. And I found that really therapeutic. But you know, why that is significant is because when I was drinking, I would never light a candle in case I
passed out and the house burnt down. So I was always too afraid to light a candle for that reason. But now I can enjoy the candle and know with great confidence that I'll blow the candle out at the appropriate time and there's no fear of the house burning down.
Maureen Benkovich (21:32.417)
Bye.
Maureen Benkovich (21:43.822)
Mm-hmm.
Maureen Benkovich (21:53.142)
Yeah, I like how you said that with great confidence and no fear.
Sandra Draper (21:54.732)
at
Sandra Draper (21:58.081)
Yeah, yeah. So that was one of the things I think probably one of the other techniques I adopted but not so much necessarily becoming alcohol free but I still do is put the television on when I walk into the house so there's other people to see also there's the sound of voices which I find comforting.
Maureen Benkovich (22:18.254)
Mm-hmm.
Maureen Benkovich (22:26.86)
Yes. Yes.
Sandra Draper (22:28.419)
But then there have been occasions where I got a little bit bluesy and I'd phone a friend or my family and have a conversation with them and then be back on track. I also find if I've eaten, then I don't have the cravings. It was always that kind of time between getting home and having dinner and that opportunity to drink.
Maureen Benkovich (22:45.005)
Yes.
Maureen Benkovich (22:51.182)
Mm-hmm.
Sandra Draper (22:55.479)
But it was interesting, last night I went for a walk around about 5 o'clock Friday evening here and as I was walking I was thinking, hmm, the former me would have been on the way to the bottle shop now.
Maureen Benkovich (23:09.952)
Yeah, the former you.
Sandra Draper (23:12.321)
Yes, the former me.
Maureen Benkovich (23:15.0)
So the new you knows a lot more about alcohol and the former you did used to believe some of those myths you told me about it being good for you.
Sandra Draper (23:25.323)
Absolutely, absolutely. I mean, it's packaged, it's on the advertisements. I have heard on so many occasions since I've been aware of alcohol freedom, just the alcohol just being dropped into every sentence in terms of it being a reward, a comfort, something you just do.
societally and socially. And I think there is a lot of work to be done. We label, you know, that there are great campaigns about drug use and abuse. There are great campaigns about obesity and other things which are not good for one's health. But I've never seen a campaign which really steps out.
what alcohol can do and I'm not suggesting it will do it for everyone but there is the potential for that.
So I think it's the glamorization of alcohol.
Maureen Benkovich (24:35.21)
Well, yeah, let's stop there for a minute because I think that's important. That is really something that needs to be brought up to the surface for most people because we don't realize how subliminally inundated we've been with these messages. So again, when we bring it to the surface, to our awareness, and you really start to see it all around you, you can have that self-compassion for yourself. Like, of course, I believe alcohol is good for me. I've been hearing this since I was a kid, right?
Sandra Draper (25:03.406)
Hmm. Yeah, yeah. think probably, you know, in my case, that wouldn't have been since a kid. It would have been since in my 20s. But the message is still there. It's ingrained. And as I said earlier, if we had a dinner party or we went to friends, alcohol was part of it to be social. But it was glamorous. You had a glass of bubbles in your hand or
Maureen Benkovich (25:15.406)
Mm-hmm.
Sandra Draper (25:28.413)
a glass of rose and it was glamorous too. And the other thing, you know, that it obviously does is loose lips. So if you've been feeling like, don't really want to go out and then a glass of something and then you're into the party mode, so to speak. But for me, the problem was I couldn't get out of party mode. had to keep going until the very end.
Maureen Benkovich (25:39.47)
Mm-hmm.
Maureen Benkovich (25:48.28)
Yeah.
Maureen Benkovich (25:57.102)
Same here. Yeah, no off switch. And because alcohol creates a desire for itself and you want to keep drinking. mean, and obviously we're talking about people that are starting to question their relationship with alcohol. We're not talking about the entire population, right? But it's people like you and I who came to this point in our life where we started asking, would my life be better with less or no alcohol? And when you come from that curious
Sandra Draper (26:00.99)
No.
Sandra Draper (26:04.513)
Mm.
Sandra Draper (26:15.112)
No.
Sandra Draper (26:24.085)
Hmm
Maureen Benkovich (26:26.328)
questioning instead of shaming ourselves because shame doesn't work at all. Shame doesn't cause change but being curious and asking that's what starts to cause change. So I wanted to ask you if a listener is quietly listening here and they're thinking about their drinking, what would you want them to hear today?
Sandra Draper (26:31.436)
No.
Sandra Draper (26:43.617)
I would share that my life is so much better without alcohol in terms of I sleep so much better, my central nervous system is much more regulated, my desire to move as in exercise has improved and I think I'm
back on track in terms of moving or exercising regularly. think the being present, I didn't mention this, but when I stayed with my friends, the one thing that I found was being present rather than zoning out after a few drinks to really stay in the moment, to listen, to hear, to contribute to conversation.
without my brain being affected by a substance. So I guess that was the authentic me is something that I really value and also being able to remember what's happened. Some of the conversations that well in life are very important conversations and not being able to remember those wasn't particularly good. So I think just being present, being
Maureen Benkovich (27:49.549)
Yes.
Sandra Draper (28:11.122)
more authentic and in every sense and being healthier are really the benefits that I've experienced.
Maureen Benkovich (28:20.312)
Yeah, all of that is good. Being present is so important and we think, we're connecting better with alcohol, but truly it's disconnecting because after a few drinks, you're not all there. And so you're not present. And then when we don't remember that only feeds into our shame, you know, and not feeling well. Well, what is one practical first step you would suggest to somebody who is listening and questioning the relationship with alcohol?
Sandra Draper (28:29.758)
Hmm. No, no, absolutely not.
Sandra Draper (28:38.344)
Yes.
Sandra Draper (28:49.544)
I think take a step back and question whether alcohol is actually bringing the benefit that you perceive it to be bringing into your life. Is it actually relaxing you or are you aware that your sleep's affected and you're waking up in the early hours of the morning with regret and remorse or, or, you know, perhaps it's just
you're not feeling on top of your game. And we all know in this life, we have to be on the top of our, at the top of our game. So mentally and physically, and I think if you're feeling that you're not the best version of yourself, take a step back. More in you offer some group coaching sessions as well as one-on-one. I guess I opted for one-on-one because
Maureen Benkovich (29:25.294)
Isn't that true.
Sandra Draper (29:45.66)
I knew that I needed to be accountable and I'm also in some sense as a private person and I was not necessarily comfortable sharing my experiences with people I'm not familiar with but I think they do offer a lot and what I've found in terms of groups is you pointed me in the direction of Love Live Sober, a community of
women who have decided that alcohol is taking more from them and their relationship with God to replacing alcohol with other things. think for me the community was a missing piece until the beginning of this year and I've very much benefited from knowing I'm not the only one. For many months I thought because I hadn't heard other
Maureen Benkovich (30:41.378)
Yes.
Sandra Draper (30:44.136)
friends, colleagues, anyone discuss the fact that they felt they had, they were using alcohol in the wrong way or it had become something in their life that was not really appropriate. so I think finding that there are hundreds of women of all ages and all around the world has just been eye-opening that
Maureen Benkovich (31:05.068)
Yeah, all around the world.
Sandra Draper (31:12.892)
very very comforting for me and to be able to reach out to those women and have some coaching and some people who have an interest in being on the journey with me. think yeah so just swinging back to your question what would I encourage? A bit of self-reflection, a bit of time to think about what the best version of you
would be and then how to achieve that. But I thoroughly recommend Maureen as a coach and as I say the one-on-one sessions worked for me. They may not be for everyone but they were certainly what I benefited from.
Maureen Benkovich (32:00.45)
Yeah, and I really love working with you. And again, you really applied yourself. You took the course very seriously. You took your time, your coaching, you invested in yourself and you did the work. I can coach, but you're the one who has to put the new behaviors, replacements, be willing to try new things. And you've done all of that. And now it's amazing to see where you are now, how good you're feeling and that you're in the Love Life Sober community. Let's give...
Christy Osborne, a shout out, who wrote Love Life Sober and I'm honored to be coaching in that community as well. But yeah, so I just love that you came on to share because you are a private person. So I so appreciate that. And I always end with my signature question, Sandra. So what do do now to be sober fit?
Sandra Draper (32:29.641)
Yes.
Sandra Draper (32:49.938)
One of the things I did to prepare for the Camino was to join a hiking group and I love the hiking group in as much as the winter hikes are in our bush, in our native bush and they take me into fresh air, into a feeling of freedom, blue skies, community with people.
So I've continued those walks and during summer they're along our riverways or by the beach. So I continue that group. I have a treadmill in my garage, which during the week is great because I don't have to go to a formal activity. I sort of get up at 4.30 to be on my treadmill and do a routine before I prepare for the day.
And then there are a couple of reserves around where I live. Doing some nice long walks around those is very therapeutic.
Maureen Benkovich (33:56.76)
So good. Yeah, and continuing all the behaviors that you started when you were changing your relationship with alcohol is key because all of those are going to continue to regulate your central nervous system, keep you happy, fit, longevity, all the things, all the lifelong goals that really we all want. So I thank you so much for coming on here. I hope to get to visit some day.
Sandra Draper (34:04.623)
Absolutely.
Sandra Draper (34:14.49)
Yes. No, thank you, Maureen, and thank you for being my coach. were absolutely, you made such a change.
Maureen Benkovich (34:22.862)
Thank you, Sandra. Pleasure, pleasure, my pleasure. Thank you again.
Sandra Draper (34:24.838)
Take care. Bye for now.
